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My Science, My Religion by Michael Cremo
Michael Cremo is one of the worlds best researchers in the area of controversial, or forbidden archaeology. He’s published a number of books in his career, perhaps his best known work was of the same title, Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race. In that work, and as the central focus of his career, he highlights hundreds of specific pieces of physical evidence for ancient history being very, very different than we understand.  In fact, there’s is much evidence that modern man as been alive on Earth for millions of years, there’s even substantial evidence that modern man was alive at the same time as dinosaurs believe it or not.

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Interview between Michael Cremo and Jeff Rense:

Jeff Rense:

In Joshua Tree, in the Northern high desert in Southern California, August 9th, 10th, and 11th at the Joshua Tree Retreat Center, Contact in the Desert. Another of the featured speakers this weekend, just is the highest class of people you’re going to get together at one location for an event, is Michael Cremo. Michael, has books, he doesn’t have a dozen books, 2 dozen books. He’s got key books, important books. The Forbidden Archeologist the first one, then Forbidden Archeology. Which, we’ve talked about this for a long time, also known as the hidden history of the human race, probably the more common title of it. His new book is called My Science, My Religion by Michael A. Cremo. Michael is a friend of this program, I’d like to consider him a friend of mine. He’s been, I don’t know how many years ago it was when he was first on, maybe 15 something like that, a long time ago. He continues to be one of the most extraordinary people at work on this planet trying to roll-back the lies and obfuscation that we are constantly being faced with, created non-stop by the powers that be. He’s a world renowned expert in Archaeological evidence for extreme human antiquity. Alright, and also the alternate theories of human origins. Again, my favorite book, I haven’t read his current one, is The Hidden History of the Human Race, which is a smaller version of the larger book. This idea, and we talked about this last hour with Michael Tellinger a bit, that this planet has been inhabited by either humans, or humanoids, or other forms of intelligent life, probably for the majority of its 4.5 Billion year history, is one that is gaining slowly, but certainly in our community, in our world, in a quick fashion, more and more credibility.  There, there is an enormous history to our planet that people have no idea about. Just taking humans and their history, and what Michael Cremo has found, is enough to rock anybody back on their wallets. I mean it is a story that’s screaming to be told to everyone, and yet not everyone knows about it, but hopefully this weekend will help, and this program will help. Say hello to Michael Cremo, welcome back Michael!

Michael Cremo

Michael Cremo:

Good to be back Jeff, with all your listeners!

Jeff Rense:

Don’t know how it’s been so many years, but when did the first book come out?

Michael Cremo:

Forbidden Archaeology was my first book. That came out in 1993, and then in 1994 I started doing radio interviews about it, with Art Bell originally and a woman named Laura Lee, her show out of Seattle.

Jeff Rense:

And you were on here.

Michael Cremo:

Yeah, so I mean when I first started doing those shows, your show, and the rest of them, I felt like I was jumping out of an airplane with no parachute. You know, but, now that I’ve done it a few times I feel a little more comfortable with it.

Jeff Rense:

You’ve done it a lot, and what we have to go on now, is so important. What you have done is inspire more and more people to begin looking past the limit that has been artificially erected for us by, again the powers that want us to be constantly under their thumb, under their boot, under their control. We have a new book now, My Science, My Religion. It’s a very interesting book with is grounded in ancient Indian history, I know you have a very great knowledge of that. Tell us about the new book a little bit.

Michael Cremo:

Well, many people think that in the world of science today, you can’t bring in any thing from some spiritual or religious source, but I’ve been very open about my work being expired by my studies in the ancient Sanskrit writings of India. Which, for example, speak of very ancient human civilizations on this planet going back millions of years…

Rama in Ancient India

Jeff Rense:

Unequivocally, there’s no hedging about it, they talk about it straight away.

Michael Cremo:

Right, and that’s what got me looking into the whole history of archaeology to see if there was any evidence for that and I found there was. When you look into the original scientific reports, there are many reports of archaeologists finding human bones, human artifacts, human footprints going back many millions of years. So, I’m very open. Like you were mentioning in your opening remarks that a lot of this stuff is sort of under the radar. It’s not there in the official scientific institutions and the education system, its out here for those of us who are into alternative science, alternative theories about consciousness to look into. What I’ve been able to do is  take advantage of the open-minded scientists that there are out there, to get invited to make presentations at international scientific conferences. Meetings of the World Archaeological Congress, the Association of Archaeologists, other mainstream scientific gatherings, and what this latest book is – My Science, My Religion – its a collection of 24 papers that I’ve been able to present at mainstream scientific conferences. So, for the people who are interested in how I present these things at those circles, they might be interested in having a look at that book. And I’ve very open about the spiritual inspiration for what I’m doing. So, when I say, My Science, My Religion, by My Religion I mean the inspiration I’ve gotten from the ancient Sanskrit writings of India, which contain information that has parallels in the writings of other wisdom traditions as well. Its not anything exclusive to the ancient Sanskrit texts and, by My Science, I mean scientific evidence which is consistent with what these ancient wisdom traditions tell us.

Ancient Ammo?

Not only about human antiquity, but about say the existence of space craft in ancient times. The ancient Sanskrit writings speak about vimanas or extraterrestrial beings and things of that sort. So…

Jeff Rense:

And of course we also have physical evidence of, certainly, some massive events. Nuclear wars potentially in the ancient days. Looks like we haven’t learned a whole lot.

Nuclear Wars in Ancient Times

Michael Cremo:

Sure. Yeah, so many people, including professional scientists, will find it quite surprising that I’ve been able to make these presentations. Sometimes their published in peer-reviewed scientific publications, books and journals. So, for those out there that are interested in how I present these things in those scientific circles, they may want to have a look at this latest book.

Jeff Rense:

It sounds fascinating, I wish I had time to sit down and go through it myself. I remember talking, this had to be 1994 when you were first on there,so that would make it  a long time ago, further than I thought back. We talked about, how the archaeological community, the entrenched archaeological establishment, was so dangerous for young archaeologists to challenge and how careers were just dashed to pieces for people finding things and then standing on them and pushing them. Saying, Hey, Hey Hey! This doesn’t work. Your timeline is wrong, and there were careers that were destroyed.

Michael Cremo:

Yes, that’s an absolute fact. One of them, probably the most famous case to my knowledge was the case of Virginia Steen-Mcintyre, who as a young Ph.D. in Geology was called to an archaeological site in Mexico called Hueyatlaco where some archaeologists just had uncovered stone tools and weapons, and they wanted to know how old they were. So they brought a team of Geologists, from United States Geological Survey and the geology departments of different universities to come down and date the site. Among those geologists was Virginia Steen-Macintyre. She and her colleagues used 4 different scientific methods to date the site, and they came up with an age of about 300,000 years.

Virginia Steen-Mcintyre

Now the current dominant theory says there were no humans in North America less than 20,000 years ago, that there were no humans anywhere in the world less than 200,000 years ago. So the archaeologists just refused to accept it. But they, Virginia Steen-Mcintyre and her colleagues, independently published the age for the site and when they did that they experienced this extreme negative backlash from colleagues, and because of that her career in geology was finished, because she has dared to publish something that had contradicted the dominate theory.

Jeff Rense:

Well the danger of rocking the boat. Hopefully its not as bad as it was, but still the boundaries are there and those who come up through the ranks are quite aware of them.

Lemuria?

Michael Cremo:

We first of all have to really understand what a human being is. Now today, many scientists are going to say a human being, or any other living thing, is just a machine made of molecules. That’s all there is too it, and in terms of what we would call consciousness, they would say, well if you combine the molecules in the brain in a sufficiently complex way, then is generates what we call consciousness, but only temporarily and only in association with the brain. So soon as other molecules become disorganized at the time of death, there would be no more consciousness.

However, I don’t except that idea. I think consciousness has it’s own independent existence apart from matter, apart from molecules.

Jeff Rense:

Let’s hope so.

Michael Cremo:

And, as conscious beings, as individual conscious intelligent beings, we have an origin on some higher level of reality, that I call the level of pure consciousness. So, in that sense all of us are extraterrestrial beings. In the sense that as conscious selves, we originally existed on some higher level of reality. Now, because we can no longer exist in that original harmonious state, where all conscious beings exist in loving harmony with each other and with the source of all conscious beings, we have come to this level of reality to act out our desires and we need vehicles and those vehicles are what we call bodies. There are different types of vehicles because there are different conscious selves with different desires.  So there are human vehicles, plant vehicles, insect vehicles, bird vehicles, different kinds of animal vehicles but it’s not limited just to this Earth.

I think we exist at a multilevel cosmos. So of the levels of the Cosmos are dominated by the denser energies. We’re on that level of the Cosmos that dominated by the denser energy. So our bodily vehicles are made of gross material elements, you know carbon, iron, calcium, phosphorous, all of those things. But there are other levels of the Cosmos that are dominated by more subtle energies and elements, and there are entities that inhabit that realm  as well, and they have something to do with the production of the vehicles on this level of reality, the vehicles that we call bodies. The bodies on this level, according to different ancient wisdom traditions, among the ancient Sanskrit writings of India are generated by these higher beings who make use of in Sanskrit what are called  bijas or seeds in order to initially manifest the different types. Now once the different types of vehicles are produced, the human vehicle, the plant vehicle, the other types of animal vehicles, they go on to reproduce themselves. So, I think as conscious beings, we’re all extraterrestrials and as far as our physical vehicles, our bodies are concerned, they were originally produced by extraterrestrial beings. So that’s what I meant when I said there’s an extraterrestrial dimension to our origin on this planet.

Jeff Rense:

Got it, I understand.

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